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nowego
Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:51:24 AM
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Has anyone noticed how often if you are playing a 3600 ranked player, the other player will be a 1000 ranked player and the 3600 player will invariably win, more often than not with the help of the 1000 ranked player. I have lost count of the number of times this has happened to me. Most often the 1000 ranked player is -100+ and I am say 30 behind the 3600 player with one hand to go, and the 3600 player is on 4 books, all I need to do is book him one to win. The 1000 ranked player will take all of the tricks so that the 3600 doesnt take any. I get a good hand and should easily get it and the 1000 ranked player who has no chance of winning will help the 3600 player set me. This is beyond a joke. There is cheating going on here, I have no doubts when it comes to playing 3600 ranked players.

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tmebonus
Posted: Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:21:11 AM
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I have found the complete opposite to be true. My ranking is almost always between 3500 and 3600 since I began playing here in August. Why would someone with that high of a ranking need to cheat? If they were good enough to achieve that ranking in the first place, it doesn't seem like there is any reason for them to conspire with another player.

I sound like a broken record, but I've said it time and time again on this forum: The higher ranked players are always conspired against. People get ticked off that a good player is beating them and say, "screw it, this guy wins all the time so I'll go out of my way to make sure he doesn't win this one." I've been very successful on this site but would do even better if it were not for this. I like playing cutthroat games and I have lost count of the number of times someone gets set on the first hand and then either takes 6 or 7 games to make sure the other guy doesn't bag, or throws off to allow that person to make their bid while making sure I get mine. When I play with someone I know does that, I almost don't want to set them because I know once they are out of the game they see a bull's-eye on my forehead. Sometimes I don't think they're cheating, I just think they're being juvenile.

Now, if you see the same people doing this over and over again, that's another thing. Spadester claims they're monitoring all the rooms now, especially the created rooms, so maybe they can snuff some of this out. But it's hard to prove anything because a lot of people are jerks. As I have also said many times before, a lot of good spades players are kept away from the site because of this poor gamesmanship.

My advice to you is to alert spadester if you feel this is happening and perhaps they can watch a game or two. But don't tell me that all the high ranking players here are cheats, that's definitely not the case.

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bowled
Posted: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:23:08 AM
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ask yourself how many times may you have ticked off the 1000 player. Say he bid 0 and you were the one who dropped a 3 so he lost out. Or maybe he needed one more trick and you prevented him from doing it. It may be a revenge factor like Hey I am not going to win now but darn if Im gonna let that guy who dominated me win. Dont really know how you could collude on here given there is no chat windows.

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nowego
Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:58:20 AM
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tmebonus wrote:
But don't tell me that all the high ranking players here are cheats, that's definitely not the case.


Now that I have been here a bit longer, I take back my earlier statement.

I do however agree with you tmebonus about the conspiring against higer ranked players by the lower ranked players. Especially if you set them early or bag them.

Bowled, I dont think it would be too hard to collude if you get a buddy to play with you and take turns winning using some type of IM or such. Other than that is should be impossible.

I am amazed when playing certain players how lucky they seem to be, the number of 7-9 trick hands they get each game is astounding. Never seems to happen to me unless I am playing low rank players Brick wall

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Ghomer
Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:48:38 PM
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Boo hoo! Isn't the purpose of Cutthroat to pad your own nest to the detriment of the others? So if you know you are losing you could throw your support to the one or the other player, an arbitary decision based on getting the game over or extending it.


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Stephen Jones
Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:03:34 PM
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Dear Ghomer and Nowego,

On several occasions it may actually look like there is a pattern that may in fact lead to collusion.
We are very proud to have developed a system that can pinpoint fraudulent activities. Like any police, no system is perfect.
Far from it. But, with your help and our constant pursuit to provide a clean and rigged free platform, we can actually control this
environment and make it even more fun and secure for our spades players.

Please let me know what you think and if you feel that we can do more.

Best Wishes

Stephen Jones
Account Manager
Spade101
Posted: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:45:22 PM
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mmachine and CyberTrg were playing as a team against me today. Check it out please. They sat down together and didn't try to set each other, only me, and I wasn't even the leader. I have the game id if you need that.

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Stephenj
Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:51:03 PM
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Dear Spade101,

We are looking into your complaint. Thank you for informing us.

Best Regards,

Stephen Jones

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not2nite
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:13:25 AM
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Dear Spadester,

I only accuse people of cheating when I am 100% confident that they are. I take a lot of time and effort are put into it also. I just don't call people a cheater because they beat me or I have a grudge against someone like other user's do. I watch them play together and I see how they play. I told you all that to tell you that I am 100% confident that user's JohnRod and ZPotvin play as a team in cutthroat. I just wanted to warn you as a company and other user's. I hope you look into it.
Stephenj
Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:43:33 PM
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Dear Not2nite,

I wish to thank you and many others who help us find fraudulent players at Spadester.

If they are found guilty, you won't see them at Spadester. Shame on you

Thanks Again!

Stephen Jones
Account Manager



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not2nite
Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:09:39 AM
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I meant indivudual not cutthroat, when I play not on spades 4 player indivudual spades is called cutthroat so I said cutthroat & I don't want spadester to look into your cutthroat games because they don't play that, they play indivudual. Just clearing that up, they have taken money cheating from some good user's on here & I want to make sure they get caught.
StephJ
Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:51:02 PM
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Dear Not2nite,

We are supervising all activities at the tables to make sure players are not cheating.
Your help is always welcome... regardless of our efforts.

Best Regards,
Stephen Jones

P.S. check your payoneer account :d/

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irishnan
Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:53:34 AM
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tmebonus wrote:
I have found the complete opposite to be true. My ranking is almost always between 3500 and 3600 since I began playing here in August. Why would someone with that high of a ranking need to cheat? If they were good enough to achieve that ranking in the first place, it doesn't seem like there is any reason for them to conspire with another player.

I sound like a broken record, but I've said it time and time again on this forum: The higher ranked players are always conspired against. People get ticked off that a good player is beating them and say, "screw it, this guy wins all the time so I'll go out of my way to make sure he doesn't win this one." I've been very successful on this site but would do even better if it were not for this. I like playing cutthroat games and I have lost count of the number of times someone gets set on the first hand and then either takes 6 or 7 games to make sure the other guy doesn't bag, or throws off to allow that person to make their bid while making sure I get mine. When I play with someone I know does that, I almost don't want to set them because I know once they are out of the game they see a bull's-eye on my forehead. Sometimes I don't think they're cheating, I just think they're being juvenile.

Now, if you see the same people doing this over and over again, that's another thing. Spadester claims they're monitoring all the rooms now, especially the created rooms, so maybe they can snuff some of this out. But it's hard to prove anything because a lot of people are jerks. As I have also said many times before, a lot of good spades players are kept away from the site because of this poor gamesmanship.

My advice to you is to alert spadester if you feel this is happening and perhaps they can watch a game or two. But don't tell me that all the high ranking players here are cheats, that's definitely not the case.


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irishnan
Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:00:44 AM
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Boo hoo!
as a spader for over 15 yrs or more. Let me tell you some things
yes there is collusion anywhere and it stinks
yes there are hackers who set dead tables and stalk you
yes there are what we call "padders" who use a 3rd party or another player to throw a game to pad up thier rating or win
since spadester has a forum site here, if there is a spot or way
to post names of cheaters padders etc, if they are reported more than 5x say... This may lead to a cut in the practice
I keep a list written down and dont play with ones I find doing this
I do like this site and its no tolerance rules and urge everyone to report abusers
I have reported kiki and kalie several times for hacking and throwing games
Im waiting on the outcome
good luck god bless


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irishnan
Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:06:33 AM
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Brick wall
and then after I write the post of collusion and such
I run into aimee, 2 nites in a row feeding suits back n fourth to set the 3rd player in cuthroat
now she go's on my list and if ya see her do not play

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not2nite
Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:45:07 PM
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Irishnan this is to you, you're not a very good player so you are one of those people that think every user on spadester is cheating & is against you. To the user's who accuse other user's of cheating or committing collusion have you ever caught someone cheating? I have & I didn't even play against them at all, just watched them play, what $ amount games they played together, where they sat, & how they played separate from each other. There are user's on this site that throw out that word cheater when they lose & we all know who they are & it gets annoying, I've seen people accuse people of cheating on a $1 table, seriously folks just admit that you're not very good at spades players & you need to stick to the 50 cent tables and improve your game before step up with the top notch players around here. I lost 9 straight $30 table games in a row 2 days ago & never once thought anyone cheated or was against me, the other players just played better than me, plain & simple. Maybe you user's should think about that before you think someone is cheating, everyone can't play their cards the way you want them played, thats why this is a skilled game & not a lucky game.Think
irishnan
Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:14:48 AM
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not2nite
HI, Not that I have ever played against you to know whether or not your skilled, I always wonder why people jump on the defensive bandwagon when cheaters/suspects are called out?
I have a 3600 rating dear and keep it .. I can play and I can
spot collusion or throws.. 15 years spading numerous sites I do have a bit of knowledge in the area
I hope you win lots of money in a fair game. I love spadesters no tolerance policies and wish you well.
As for Irish nan you only will see that account in non money games so again, I do not know where you have thought you have seen me
psss EYES 4 uses a "padder collusion" also
god bless and have fun thats why we are here
J~~

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BigTrubs
Posted: Saturday, July 05, 2008 11:20:19 AM
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I have been playing on this site for about 9 months. I finally reached four spade status the other day! Unfortunately it didnt last long because I am back on a loosing streak and down to right around 3500 pts. I just finished a game with someone by the name of ladylake and she told me I needed to read up on cullson...did I spell it correctly? She told me I was doing that with another player. I honestly did not know what she was talking about and when I asked her to explain it to me, she said something like, "what you and the other player are doing to me". Still, I was unclear as to what she was talking about and when I asked her again, she stopped talking to me. My experience here has been alot of fun. I am here to play spades, not to cheat (I am still trying to figure out how that is even possible). Will someone kindly explain to me what collsun (sorry if it imispelled) is so I will know what it means? If this "ladylake" posts something about me that is unkind I will be hurt because I am an easygoing woman who gets along with everyone I am around and I dont cheat....I dont know how!!!

I started from the beginning just as everyone does and I had so much fun on my journey to achieve top score. You win and win and win and then loose and loose and loose.....you try not to take bags but sure enough you get them and you get so much you bag out......aaaauuuuuggggg...its part of the game! I am confident in saying that I have learned more about playing spades since coming here (I thought I already knew everything) Angel and I am a better player today than I have ever been and as hard as I try to not take bags, I still get them!!

I welcome any and all to come find me in "play" money cutthroat rooms. I will play a fun and honest game with you and after I count the books and see that there will be bags, you better believe I dont want them, so watch out!! Angel

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U3Suck
Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:43:36 PM
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Hi.. i would just like to say im sick of being stalked bye not2nite everygame i play at she comes to the table and calls me a cheater with no eveidence!!! makes me laugh i read all her posts on how she would never call someone a cheat yet i get abuse every single day we played 14 30$ games together a couple of weeks ago we won 11-3 ever since then ive had non stop stalker... i mean cmoin if u thought someone was cheating u would u play 14 game in a row with them...???? or get up after 2 or 3...??? stephan jones u got my email if ud like email me plz i want something done about her non stop stalking me i have loads of screen shots of her foul mouth and accusations in screen shots if u'd like me too send them too u..!!! i dont think its fair i have doine nothing wrong your welcome to look into all those games we played and u will c i did nothing wrong she just hate me coz i took over 200$$ of her money outplaying her so now she make my time here hell for me... i cant even come here since then and have a peaceful game without abuse from her...

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mntnmama
Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 3:58:31 AM
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wasnt sure but now i c
klove2 n mstia supporting each other as well as others sad

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