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Why is it that some of you feel the need to gang up on the low player and give them bags when they aren't even in the lead? That is just ignorant and shows what a idiot you really are. I've been observing quite a few games and scared to death of playing because of this crap. I think Spadester needs to start cracking down on this and maybe enforce some sort of punishment. It's disrespectful, and has no business happening here. YOU PLAYERS KNOW WHO YOU ARE! I've seen some follow people around and just drive them away from the game too, it's hard to get people to play when stuff like that happens. You would think things would be much more on the fair side, and not allow some of these things to happen. I've been watching tmebonus play quite a bit, just to get a feel of what the games are like, and after seeing him get bagged out multiple times by some of those who just have no respect, makes me wonder if it's worth depositing a dime in this game. He says that he's cashed out quite a bit, but it's hard to win with some of the morons out there, who have NO BUSINESS playing the game. In my opinion, if you can't play the game right, then don't even bother coming around here... you're just giving this place a bad name. To be rather blunt and honest, I doubt Spadester will see a dime from me, unless some major changes are made. Again, I'm scared of depositing, knowing there are people out there who like to stalk the low folks and screw them over, every chance they get. I'm not willing to throw my money away like that. If I wanted to piss money away that quick, I'd go spend it on lottery tickets.
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Dear Wolftrax, I understand your frustration. If you get a chance to read my comment to user channyt, please do. I explained to him that we are monitoring the games played on our site very closely to find any discrepancies and eliminate any threats in the form of collusion or any fraudulent activities that may take place for that matter. I urge you to come and play regardless. Your money is secured at Spadester. If an illegal activity takes place while you (or any of our players for that matter) are playing and you are harmed from it, rest assure that your money (winnings) will be returned to you in full and the perpetrator will be banished from Spadester; not to mention that their winnings will be revoked. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any more dilemmas. Best wishes, Stephen Jones Account Manager
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This kind of thing has been happening to me since I came on to the site. Aside from monitoring each and every single game, I am not really sure what can be done about it. It is a shame because this type of behavior prevents better players from signing up. I've invited many good spades players to try spadester out, but they won't do it because they don't like what they are seeing. I hope it does change. Bitrake and I used to talk about this all the time, and I haven't seen him on here in forever so I'm assuming he gave up. Numerous forum posts were made regarding the issue but they were all taken down when the forum was re-done. I've still done pretty well on the site but I often wonder how much better I could do if the collusion was eliminated. I can't tell you how many times I've lost a game because one person starts losing and then targeting me for no good reason--you wonder if they were ever really trying to win.
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Wolftrax wrote:Why is it that some of you feel the need to gang up on the low player and give them bags when they aren't even in the lead? That is just ignorant and shows what a idiot you really are. I've been observing quite a few games and scared to death of playing because of this crap. I think Spadester needs to start cracking down on this and maybe enforce some sort of punishment. It's disrespectful, and has no business happening here. YOU PLAYERS KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
I've seen some follow people around and just drive them away from the game too, it's hard to get people to play when stuff like that happens. You would think things would be much more on the fair side, and not allow some of these things to happen. I've been watching tmebonus play quite a bit, just to get a feel of what the games are like, and after seeing him get bagged out multiple times by some of those who just have no respect, makes me wonder if it's worth depositing a dime in this game. He says that he's cashed out quite a bit, but it's hard to win with some of the morons out there, who have NO BUSINESS playing the game. In my opinion, if you can't play the game right, then don't even bother coming around here... you're just giving this place a bad name.
To be rather blunt and honest, I doubt Spadester will see a dime from me, unless some major changes are made. Again, I'm scared of depositing, knowing there are people out there who like to stalk the low folks and screw them over, every chance they get. I'm not willing to throw my money away like that. If I wanted to piss money away that quick, I'd go spend it on lottery tickets. I can understand where your comming from on the second post, there is no need for that type of behavior. But the first post, I kind of disagree with for the simple fact bags are a part of the game, and there is really no way to gang up on someone to force bags on an individual, its a matter of what cards lays in who's hands. No on wants the bags handed their way, so if you happen to have a higher card than everyone else, then there is no way around it when no one out of the 4 players want's the bags. Its a matter of how each individual's card's land and played, not about a let's all get him type of game. Not trying to push a fuss about the issue, but bags are just a part of them game, theres no way around them, and no one falls as a specific victim by others, it's a matter of whats in your hands and in theres.
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It can happen, and it does happen, not sure if you play 3 way... as that's where I've been seeing this happen at. I've seen people bid really low, just to see someone bag out. Bids would be something like 3-2-4, where the 3 and the 2 would get their cards and take maybe 1 or 2 bags but would find a way to bag-out the 4.
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Wolftrax wrote:It can happen, and it does happen, not sure if you play 3 way... as that's where I've been seeing this happen at.
I've seen people bid really low, just to see someone bag out. Bids would be something like 3-2-4, where the 3 and the 2 would get their cards and take maybe 1 or 2 bags but would find a way to bag-out the 4. Too me, that sounds like a way to win, not cheating... If someone is to the point of wining, you do everything possible to prevent that win so that you can pick up lead. Packing someone with bags, to push one more hand is how it should be done, the table can always be turned around in one extra hand. You play to win, not to lose, you do what you can to win, as long as its legit and doesnt require cheating. Its the same as in the NBA when game end is near, they foul the weakest link on purpose to send him to the line because they know of the possibilty of him missing the free throws and them getting the ball and scoring and winning the game. It's just a part of competition and I completely agree with it.
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At the beginning omoroname? Give me a break, that doesn't make a damn bit of sense! I was checking out a 200 pt game one day, and saw where 2 people were shoving bags on one guy, yes... the first round! The guy bagged out in the same round as well. I don't call that going for a win, I call that being a.... eh forget it!
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J.Banks and Wolftrax: Yeah, bags are part of the game. The NBA analogy is a good one (I'm a Cavs fan and cringe every time Ben Wallace goes to the line late in a game). It may not look pretty, but you can't argue with the effectiveness. Same with bags. If I think there is any chance of prolonging the game because I can bag someone out, I will do whatever I can to ensure it happens, even if it means underbidding by several tricks. You never know...the next hand might be the time where you get a monster bid allowing you to make a comeback. I play a lot of 3-way though, and this strategy can be abused. I've seen people who are out of the game take 6 or 7 bags themselves in order to make sure the other guy doesn't, or set themselves so the other guy gets his bid through, while making sure that I bag out or get set. That is obvious favoritism, and not in the spirit of competition. If you're doing it because you are trying to prolong the game for your own benefit, that's all well and good. But if you do it to target someone just because they have a high rating or because you're in collusion with the other player, that's another matter entirely.
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Total agreement with J.Banks here, bags are all part of the game. One way to bring someone back to the field is to bag them.
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i also totaly agree with jbanks on this issue bags is apart of the game here is how i play it. i'm giving you pointers on how i play if i am in the lead and i have made my bid. i will throgh out what i can and it does not matter who it goes to. if i see some one else in the lead and i can make the trick but i have a chance to give it away to who ever to make a trick from another suit to posibley set the lead. i will. if the lead person made his bid and i still can make my bid i will let it slide too. hoping the lead will get that exra bag. and it does not matter to me who gets that trick. and last but not least ( you can call this cheating but i call it revenge) durring the game i have a player that seems to always pick on m and trying to set me i will do the same to him. if it is the last hand and some one else is in the running to take the game from him, its my money that i am loosing, i will favor the other guy over him. #&^$ him! he has benn giving me hell through the whole game. why should i let him win. wolftrax. i am sorry to say this but i totaly disagree with you. i do know what you are saying. it has been done to me many times. BUT.. as long as i play my cards right and make my bid and only bag to set someone. i have a better chance in winning the game. it does not matter what the other person do. if they play it right they will make their bid and do the same. it is all about winning, going for the glory, and getting paid. also i disagree with you because it is my money on the line not the other guys. so what if all three of them is teaming up on me. as long as they don't see my cards they will have a 75% chance of winning and make only 3/5 of ther investment. but if they loose they have invested 3 times more then what it would have taken to just play alone. over all. i am up for the challege. i am a spade player. not the best but a good one. i am still in the lead, money wise, from my investment, so that only shows that what you are saying is not true. it is true what j.banks says. its real all up to the hand delt. play it right and you have a better chance of winning. play it dum and you will most deffinitly loose. but who am i to say. if you feel that way then that is how you see it. to me all i am concern about is my payouts. i hope spadester get their thing together and have the payouts going out smoother then what it is now i hope this answer some ones concern. and i hope it make scence good luck
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channyt wrote:i also totaly agree with jbanks on this issue
bags is apart of the game
here is how i play it. i'm giving you pointers on how i play
if i am in the lead and i have made my bid. i will throgh out what i can and it does not matter who it goes to.
if i see some one else in the lead and i can make the trick but i have a chance to give it away to who ever to make a trick from another suit to posibley set the lead. i will.
if the lead person made his bid and i still can make my bid i will let it slide too. hoping the lead will get that exra bag. and it does not matter to me who gets that trick.
and last but not least ( you can call this cheating but i call it revenge) durring the game i have a player that seems to always pick on m and trying to set me i will do the same to him. if it is the last hand and some one else is in the running to take the game from him, its my money that i am loosing, i will favor the other guy over him. #&^$ him! he has benn giving me hell through the whole game. why should i let him win.
wolftrax. i am sorry to say this but i totaly disagree with you. i do know what you are saying. it has been done to me many times. BUT.. as long as i play my cards right and make my bid and only bag to set someone. i have a better chance in winning the game. it does not matter what the other person do. if they play it right they will make their bid and do the same. it is all about winning, going for the glory, and getting paid.
also i disagree with you because it is my money on the line not the other guys. so what if all three of them is teaming up on me. as long as they don't see my cards they will have a 75% chance of winning and make only 3/5 of ther investment. but if they loose they have invested 3 times more then what it would have taken to just play alone.
over all. i am up for the challege. i am a spade player. not the best but a good one. i am still in the lead, money wise, from my investment, so that only shows that what you are saying is not true. it is true what j.banks says. its real all up to the hand delt. play it right and you have a better chance of winning. play it dum and you will most deffinitly loose.
but who am i to say. if you feel that way then that is how you see it. to me all i am concern about is my payouts. i hope spadester get their thing together and have the payouts going out smoother then what it is now
i hope this answer some ones concern. and i hope it make scence
good luck Very well said... I Love This Game! LOL!
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Some very insightful observations from channyt--he/she is an excellent player who has beaten me plenty of times. I pretty much agree with everything channyt says, even the revenge factor. I usually don't take "revenge" on someone unless I'm pretty sure they are either cheating or targeting me for no other reason. I've definitely had people follow me around to different tables, upset that I beat them before and now they are determined to beat me, no matter how much money they spend trying to do so. The time I get really upset is when someone bags me or sets me when I'm not in the lead, when they should really be going after the leader. It's almost like they say, "I don't care if I win, just as long as you don't." Which really makes no sense if you're putting your own money into this. Also, if I have played with someone before and I respect the way they play and I know they aren't a jerk, I will try and help them win if I'm out of it, especially if I know that their opponent(s) are jerks. Usually these are higher ranked players--I like to think that because we are targeted all the time because of our rankings, it's the least we can do for each other when small-minded idiots try and ruin the game because they feel the need to act like children. So yeah, if I'm 100 points behind the leader and someone attempts to set me and ignores them, yeah, it ticks me off. And it certainly makes one wonder. As channyt pointed out though, if you do beat cheaters, you should feel even better knowing that they just threw away a lot of money only to get nothing in return. They'll have to win almost every single game to make it worthwhile, and they're still at the mercy of the cards. I say bring on the challenges. Bottom line: If you are smart and make your bid almost every time, you will be tough to beat. It sounds simple, but just make your bids and a lot of times everything else takes care of itself.
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